dogisgod, I didn't mean to sound harsh, sorry. I'm sure you love her and sounds like you are doing all you can to care for her in the very twilight of her life. My point is: just drop all the religious stuff and love her for her she is without seeing her as a JW - your dear old Mum, a human being who needs you without judgment lenses. Even if she judges you, just ignore it.
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What is WT latest policy
by dogisgod ini have been dissassociated for many years.
jws cant get in my yard have 6ft locked fence (witness protection program) (really it's about keeping my animals safe).
my mom is 89 and more hooked than ever.
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The 'Gentile Times' started in 70AD not 607BCE!!!!
by yadda yadda 2 infrom john denton's amazing website: http://www.tangotango.org.uk/.
did the gentile times start in 607 bc?.
some authorities on bible prophecy having accepted russell's calculations, teach that the 2,520 years of the gentile times started in 607 bc, when they reckon the last god approved king zedekiah reigned over jerusalem as god's representative king, 2,520 years from this date ends in 1914. following are six reasons why this assumption is inaccurate.
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Joseph, Thank you for explaining what you meant earlier. I can understand what you are saying but I can't accept your interpretation because you are making much too broad an application to the meaning of 'times of the Gentiles' to put the starting point at the beginning of human history, and again, your application is much to broad to imply the end of the times of the Gentiles to mean when the Jewish race is finished. The start and end of the Gentile times would be meaningless with such broad applications in my opinion.
I think John Denton's starting and ending points revolving around the destruction of the Jewish temple (which signified God's removing his favour from the Jewish nation) to the creation of the spiritual temple in heaven makes much more sense. The 'trampling' has a spiritualised meaning, not literal.
Denton's view that the start of the 7 times (which is nothing to do with the times of the gentiles) at 539bce is also perfectly logical because clearly the tree was cut down when Babylon fell. The end of the 7 times is when Jesus assumes world rulership in his Kingdom, which coincides with the end of the 'Gentile Times'.
The point is, however, that the Watchtower's (Russell's) teaching that both these time periods started in 607BCE is quite clearly wrong!
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Wanting to date, but
by Junction-Guy inwell first off, i am mostly happy being single.
i don't have this big desire to get married again, in fact i am kind of commitment shy now, and don't know how i ever would be able to function in a relationship again.
but there are certain events and certain times of the year when i feel alone and would like a date.
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No man is an Island. Stop being such a pussy and just go and ask some damn girl out. It's not rocket science.
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2009 YEAR TEXT:. 'Bear thorough witness to the good news' Acts 20:24
by iloowy in2009 year text: 'bear thorough witness to the good news' (acts 20:24)
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Hahaha...comparing the 2008 to the 2009, its like "the end is nigh" this year but "forget it..back to business as usual" next year.
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Witnesses = christian? consider this:
by DoomVoyager ini was bored at the bookstudy the other night, and the book being studied is of course "live with jehovah's day in mind".
this book is (ostensibly) based entirely off ot writings, specifically the minor prophets.
however, you'd expect to see the odd mention of jesus here and there, seeing as they do claim to be christians and all?.
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Thanks. Yes, a good example of a general failure by the JW's to honour Jesus, which Christians are meant to do. I bet the "Organisation" is mentioned dozens of times before page 180.
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The 'Gentile Times' started in 70AD not 607BCE!!!!
by yadda yadda 2 infrom john denton's amazing website: http://www.tangotango.org.uk/.
did the gentile times start in 607 bc?.
some authorities on bible prophecy having accepted russell's calculations, teach that the 2,520 years of the gentile times started in 607 bc, when they reckon the last god approved king zedekiah reigned over jerusalem as god's representative king, 2,520 years from this date ends in 1914. following are six reasons why this assumption is inaccurate.
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Malik, the first sentence in your post doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate? And those other scriptures are talking about the beginning of humankind, not of some period of time when the gentiles could be said to be trampling on something. What exactly are you saying in your post, that the times of the Gentiles started from Abraham?
It seems entirely reasonable to me that the times of the gentiles starts when the Jewish system of worship was finally abandoned by Jehovah and destroyed, ie, 70AD and it finishes when heavenly Jerusalem is created in heaven, which is a future time.
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km08/10
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http://jwsupportforum.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.downloaditem&g2_itemid=445&g2_serialnumber=1.
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Thanks. Sickening to see how the GB parallel themselves to the first century. The mind control and cultish language is so obvious, five years after being out after being a JW for 35 yeras.
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An Open Letter To Jehovah's Witnesses
by Tired of the Hypocrisy ina friend over at http://christianwitnesses.com/ sent me a letter for distribution to jehovah's witnesses.
it raises many issues that everyone, jws and everyone alike should be aware of.
i turned it into a video with text and music.
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Thought it was good up until the bit about the earth ending.
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What is WT latest policy
by dogisgod ini have been dissassociated for many years.
jws cant get in my yard have 6ft locked fence (witness protection program) (really it's about keeping my animals safe).
my mom is 89 and more hooked than ever.
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Give her a break...she's 89 for gawds sake. You're lucky she's still alive and even recognises you.
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The 'Gentile Times' started in 70AD not 607BCE!!!!
by yadda yadda 2 infrom john denton's amazing website: http://www.tangotango.org.uk/.
did the gentile times start in 607 bc?.
some authorities on bible prophecy having accepted russell's calculations, teach that the 2,520 years of the gentile times started in 607 bc, when they reckon the last god approved king zedekiah reigned over jerusalem as god's representative king, 2,520 years from this date ends in 1914. following are six reasons why this assumption is inaccurate.
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From John Denton's amazing website: http://www.tangotango.org.uk/
DID THE GENTILE TIMES START IN 607 BC?
Some authorities on Bible prophecy having accepted Russell's calculations, teach that the 2,520 years of the Gentile Times started in 607 BC, when they reckon the last God approved king Zedekiah reigned over Jerusalem as God's representative king, 2,520 years from this date ends in 1914. Following are six reasons why this assumption is inaccurate.
6a) The tree vision was given to Nebuchadnezzar not Zedekiah. It related to a period starting when the Babylonian dynasty was chopped down, not God's. Yahweh sets the date for this chopping down, having an angel write on the wall the proclamation to cut down the Babylonian dynasty on the wall during the very day the dynasty is brought to its end (Daniel Chapters 4 & 5).
6b) Daniel's prophecy of 'seven times' following the cutting down of the tree could not be applied to Zedekiah in Jerusalem as Daniel explicitly says at 4:22 the tree symbolises the king of Babylon and his Dynasty.
6c) The previous vision to Nebuchadnezzar of a symbolic statue was a parallel vision of the same time period. In no way would anyone argue that the head of Gold represented Zedekiah's rulership. Both visions related to the same things.
6d) Zedekiah could hardly be reckoned as God's king. God had already arranged that the previous king Jehoiachin was removed by Nebuchadnezzar as punishment to the nation; he would hardly have replaced him with another king in contradiction of his expressed warnings (Jer 27:6,12-14,17,20-22) .
6e) Zedekiah was not anointed by God to reign as king in Jerusalem, he was appointed to the job of vassal representative by Nebuchadnezzar (2 Kings 24:17). Later he rebelled against his master Nebuchadnezzar, despite God warning him against carrying out this totally unnecessary self-destructive action. In no way can it be construed his rule was on behalf of Jehovah.
6f) The seat of God's rulership continued at Jerusalem with or without an anointed king being present. Some 600 years later, Jesus in 33 recognised that God's symbolic seat of rulership was still the temple at Jerusalem without any anointed king representing him at the time. Just before his death he presented himself at this seat of rulership as its appointed king (Luke 19:34-44) . Although the covenants changed in 33 and special favour to the Jews was extended to 36, along with the temple and city of Jerusalem, Jehovah did not tear them down until the year 70. Jesus in his signs foretold that after the temples destruction in 70 the nations would trample on literal Jerusalem, and continue to do so until the Gentile times ended, when the new temple and city would be constructed in the heavens (Luke 21:24) . Jerusalem's being trodden on, according to Jesus, did not start in 607 BC but in AD 70.